WTF is with these Harley riders?
#91
07-26-2007, 03:20 AM
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Land of Sun, Sand and Thorns - AZ
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RE: What is with these Harley riders?
No grass in the desert except on the 368 golf courses we have in this county - the shoulder is hard ground with loose granite gravel with big a*s cactus (like riding on ice without spikes) plus I wasn't wearing my sixsixone pro pressure suit - I'd rather take my chances with the HD's.
#92
07-26-2007, 05:27 AM
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RE: What is with these Harley riders?
ORIGINAL: Kohburn
so Iowaguy -- what sort of harley do you ride? why waste your time with anything but a harley since they are the rolex of the motorcycle world? I mean i like some of the harleys, i have nothing against the motorcycle, just some of its riders.
what makes a rolex worth what it sels for? nothing but the consumers market and the fact that yuppies will pay that much to gain a little prestige. you can get more robust, better performing, designer styled watches for less from other quality brands.
Sure a harley is like a rolex, not worth its asking price (to me anyways)
so Iowaguy -- what sort of harley do you ride? why waste your time with anything but a harley since they are the rolex of the motorcycle world? I mean i like some of the harleys, i have nothing against the motorcycle, just some of its riders.
what makes a rolex worth what it sels for? nothing but the consumers market and the fact that yuppies will pay that much to gain a little prestige. you can get more robust, better performing, designer styled watches for less from other quality brands.
Sure a harley is like a rolex, not worth its asking price (to me anyways)
Look, I also like all bikes and know anyone riding any brand can be a dick. But to classify each and every HD rider into that category, and to be ignorant and immature by calling them "gay" or a "***" is downright idiotic and uncalled for. This is where myself and VFR have to step in and defend ourselves. I wonder if our thread mouths would be so blatant and raw if they were around a group of bikers in which a face was connected to hear the words. I doubt it, they'd probably run as fast as they could with their thumb stretched out so far for the E-start on their lil old KLX 250Sit would dislocate. If there is one thing I can't stand, it's a group of posers with cocky and mouthy persona's seeking each other's reassurance to the extent that they are blind to the fact that they are the epitome of a really dumb human being. I think a few member's true colors are showing on this thread, and these are the people I wouldn't want out on a trail or a ride with me.
As far as the Rolex goes- there you go stereotyping again. So, anyone who buys and wears a Rolex is a yuppie? Just because they like a specific type of watch? I happen to like Casio G-shocks and Timex Ironmans. Does this make me an ironman or a mountain climber? No way. Does it make me a lower class Wal-Mart shopper? No again. But, the Rolex is what all other watches are measured against. To say they're not worth what they sell for is ridiculous. They have precious stones and metals that demand a certain price. Don't classify a wealthy or well to do person that can afford one of these a yuppie for that reason alone.
Maybe if the Kawasaki was manufactured and assembled in USA for over 100 of the last years, it would demand the price of the HD. But it wasn't, and it isn't. It is a cookie cutter bike that is a copy of the original. It's designed in Asia and made who knows where. This does not take away from the bike's quality, but it still ain't a HD, bottom line. Shame on you guys for insulting an American company that is as embraced in an American flag as HD is. It's got USA all over it and you're insulting itby stereotyping and bad mouthingthe riders who support it; bragging about how Japs can engineer and build amotorcycle so much better than us? What the hell is wrong with you? Sure,the Japs can build a killer MXand sportbike, so what. Is that impressive? A sportbike- you may as well go buy one at walmart as they all look the same and yours looks like your friends. A MX bike, woohoo. Huge technology there huh? Whatever, it's a frame and an engineattached to two big wheels. It bothers me when you guys bad mouth a wholecompany and fan base just because one person had a bad experience with a group who happened to be on HD's. That's ridiculous and if you can't see that, you really shouldstop reading this and go get the next highereducational degreethan you already have. For a lot on here, that may mean finishing eighth grade.[sm=icon_stickpoke.gif]
#93
07-26-2007, 06:39 AM
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Washington
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RE: What is with these Harley riders?
ORIGINAL: IOWAGAY
you just have to argue with anything someone writes dont you.I bet if someone gave you a junker you'd play it to be the best thing in the world. And you really need to do your homework if you think the Roadking is that much more of a bike than most of the metric cruisers that would ride circles around the harley.nuff said sucker[sm=angrymail.gif]
you just have to argue with anything someone writes dont you.I bet if someone gave you a junker you'd play it to be the best thing in the world. And you really need to do your homework if you think the Roadking is that much more of a bike than most of the metric cruisers that would ride circles around the harley.nuff said sucker[sm=angrymail.gif]
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
research Lentner Cycle Co. in Ottumwa, Iowa. they are a very large HD/Buell dealer for many years. On each bike they have a factory card listing msrp, tax, setup, freight. Each one is taken straight off HD's suggested pricing and nothing is marked up a red cent. Doesn't matter if you're buying a std. sportster 883 or a Screamin' Eagle Night Train. Everything is sold at msrp legitimate pricing. And they can get any bike you want. Same goes for C&C Custom Cycle in Chariton, Iowa. This is the largest HD dealer in the midwest and where I had bought my Sporty in '03. Retail all the way here too. This isn't 1995.
As far as performance goes, I'd have to see your Nomad "light up" a Road King. I would venture to say that it would be real close and I am almost sure the HD is putting out more torque. Anyways, I do not buy cruisers for acceleration. It's okay to be proud of your import cruiser, but do not get the false assumption that it is in the same class as a Harley-Davidson. Because it isn't. You could look at it like a false Rolex compared to a real one. Everyone knows it's a fake. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't function just fine. That shaft drive is a dead giveaway from the real thing.
You can downplay resale value all you want, but you know it's real and that you will not keep that bike forever. Eventually, you will lose money on it. Don't get me wrong though, I do like the Nomad but would never buy one. My neighbor has a VTX1800, sounds like a 350 chevy with his pipes. Sweet bike and is built like a tank. But it's still a Honda and that's it's biggest fault. It's a foreign made cruiser. Kind of like comparing a Toyota Tundra to a Dodge Ram or F150 or any domestic pickup. The Toyota is nice, but everyone knows it has Tacoma underpinnings and is basically a very weak pickup. Their frames are like paper.
ORIGINAL: BurntOrange
Iowa, I did say performance. My stock Nomad will light up a stock Road King in the 0-60, 1/4, you name it -I'll smile and wave as I leave it in the dust.
I paid 12k for my Nomad and I challeng you to go toa HD dealer and buy a new bike for MSRP. The RKs in two shops I went in were marked up to over 20k.
As for investment, that is what stocks are for. I'll take the 8-10k I didn't spend on a tank badge and use it for road trips. I never buy a bike for the purpose of resaleing it -why would anyone do that?
I never said it was the "best" bike, I just wanted to make the point that it is NOT a "sad imitation" of anything.
Iowa, I did say performance. My stock Nomad will light up a stock Road King in the 0-60, 1/4, you name it -I'll smile and wave as I leave it in the dust.
I paid 12k for my Nomad and I challeng you to go toa HD dealer and buy a new bike for MSRP. The RKs in two shops I went in were marked up to over 20k.
As for investment, that is what stocks are for. I'll take the 8-10k I didn't spend on a tank badge and use it for road trips. I never buy a bike for the purpose of resaleing it -why would anyone do that?
I never said it was the "best" bike, I just wanted to make the point that it is NOT a "sad imitation" of anything.
As far as performance goes, I'd have to see your Nomad "light up" a Road King. I would venture to say that it would be real close and I am almost sure the HD is putting out more torque. Anyways, I do not buy cruisers for acceleration. It's okay to be proud of your import cruiser, but do not get the false assumption that it is in the same class as a Harley-Davidson. Because it isn't. You could look at it like a false Rolex compared to a real one. Everyone knows it's a fake. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't function just fine. That shaft drive is a dead giveaway from the real thing.
You can downplay resale value all you want, but you know it's real and that you will not keep that bike forever. Eventually, you will lose money on it. Don't get me wrong though, I do like the Nomad but would never buy one. My neighbor has a VTX1800, sounds like a 350 chevy with his pipes. Sweet bike and is built like a tank. But it's still a Honda and that's it's biggest fault. It's a foreign made cruiser. Kind of like comparing a Toyota Tundra to a Dodge Ram or F150 or any domestic pickup. The Toyota is nice, but everyone knows it has Tacoma underpinnings and is basically a very weak pickup. Their frames are like paper.
I for one have had to eat crow about my earlier statements about Harley riders. Since the begining of summer, we have had all kinds of riders come through our small town and 99% of them have waved to me on my DS bike. And this includes the Harley riders. So I have had to re-think my ignorant stereotype, and learn a new way to think. And finally I think its time to delete this user name as it is not really helping anything.
#94
07-26-2007, 06:41 AM
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Location: Washington
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RE: What is with these Harley riders?
I just got home from Seattle at the University, and I was surprised to see nearly 100 posts in this thread all in one day. Wow that has to be a record. While activity is good, let's keep it on a somewhat positive and helpful nature.
#95
07-26-2007, 08:31 AM
RE: What is with these Harley riders?
ORIGINAL: FM_Thumper
how the hell do you do that with a KLX?
how the hell do you do that with a KLX?
Yes you harley riders this was said in jest even though its true, lighten up dudes
#98
07-26-2007, 12:53 PM
RE: What is with these Harley riders?
I would just like to say that never on this thread did I trash HD or their riders by calling them anything that they are not. Unlike Iowa who calls all non-harley bikes imitations and various other names. If you feel better, Iowa, by calling other brand bikes imitations, then go ahead. All I did was lay out some facts about performance.
Hell, I was on your side at the beginning when you were talking about not stereotyping bikers. I don't stereotype anyone, unfortunately you make that hard by taking the stereotypical path you took.
Now, feel free to post and say whatever you want about me or my bike -you know the real truth but will never admit it and I'm ok with that, it's your loss.
Hell, I was on your side at the beginning when you were talking about not stereotyping bikers. I don't stereotype anyone, unfortunately you make that hard by taking the stereotypical path you took.
Now, feel free to post and say whatever you want about me or my bike -you know the real truth but will never admit it and I'm ok with that, it's your loss.
#99
07-26-2007, 01:04 PM
RE: What is with these Harley riders?
ORIGINAL: Kohburn.
Sure a harley is like a rolex, not worth its asking price (to me anyways)
Sure a harley is like a rolex, not worth its asking price (to me anyways)
#100
07-26-2007, 01:13 PM
RE: What is with these Harley riders?
so now i'm not a patriot because i choose to like a bike based on its quality and design and not because it was designed and built in america?
very nice. would you like to fly the rebel flag next?
so you like rolexes.. how about another analogy. tickle-me-elmo.. remember those? the little toy that because every parent in america wanted their kid to have one they were getting sold on ebay for 10X what they cost in the store. were they really worth that much? no. where people willing to pay it anyways? sure they were because they really wanted it.
you get a lot of the same market drive with a lot of products from cars, motorcycles (of varying brands not just one), clothing, etc.
making a generalization about a group of people doesn't badmouth them all or the company - it is just an observation that to the individual making the statement has been generally true. it is absolutely impossible for you to refute someone elses personal experience.
I've met nice guys who ride harleys, and crossed paths with some real jerks. the ones that maintain your attitude of "if you ride something other than a harley you are unamerican", or "there are no real bike but harleys"really **** me off. its the same retarded attitude as the people that say the mustang is the only real muscle car, or the camaro, or the vette. (note: this comment can NOT be read as meaning that all mustang/camaro/vette drivers think this way. only that some of them do and its annoying)
So you are a harley guy, good for you. I can see where you might have been offended feeling like they were talking about you. So don't prove them right by having a pissy attitude and making blanket statements about how harley owns all. If you don't want to be one of the guys they are talking about then prove them wrong.
very nice. would you like to fly the rebel flag next?
so you like rolexes.. how about another analogy. tickle-me-elmo.. remember those? the little toy that because every parent in america wanted their kid to have one they were getting sold on ebay for 10X what they cost in the store. were they really worth that much? no. where people willing to pay it anyways? sure they were because they really wanted it.
you get a lot of the same market drive with a lot of products from cars, motorcycles (of varying brands not just one), clothing, etc.
making a generalization about a group of people doesn't badmouth them all or the company - it is just an observation that to the individual making the statement has been generally true. it is absolutely impossible for you to refute someone elses personal experience.
I've met nice guys who ride harleys, and crossed paths with some real jerks. the ones that maintain your attitude of "if you ride something other than a harley you are unamerican", or "there are no real bike but harleys"really **** me off. its the same retarded attitude as the people that say the mustang is the only real muscle car, or the camaro, or the vette. (note: this comment can NOT be read as meaning that all mustang/camaro/vette drivers think this way. only that some of them do and its annoying)
So you are a harley guy, good for you. I can see where you might have been offended feeling like they were talking about you. So don't prove them right by having a pissy attitude and making blanket statements about how harley owns all. If you don't want to be one of the guys they are talking about then prove them wrong.