Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
#51
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
ORIGINAL: mooredan
Lowering the clip did take care of the "drop out" that I was experiencing upon closing the throttle down, but midrange still isn't quite right. With a constant midrange throttle, there's some stuttering. Closing or opening the throttle smooths things out.
Next I try lowering the clip one more notch.
Another alternative is a different needle and needle jet. I've read other bikes (RZ400?) are using this carb but with a different needle jet (P-4, P-6) and an a different needle (9EBY1-50 or 9EBY1-51), also while upping the PJ to 17.5-20.0
Here's my current setupfor the TM36-68
331cc overbore
Full Muzzy system - quiet insert & spark arrestor installed
K&N Filter - Airbox lid on and snorkle removed with extra cutout to accomodate a crankcase vent filter
N100-604 #130 MJ
VM28/486 #15 PJ
568 P-8 NJ
9DZH6-50 JN - 3nd clip from top
Lowering the clip did take care of the "drop out" that I was experiencing upon closing the throttle down, but midrange still isn't quite right. With a constant midrange throttle, there's some stuttering. Closing or opening the throttle smooths things out.
Next I try lowering the clip one more notch.
Another alternative is a different needle and needle jet. I've read other bikes (RZ400?) are using this carb but with a different needle jet (P-4, P-6) and an a different needle (9EBY1-50 or 9EBY1-51), also while upping the PJ to 17.5-20.0
Here's my current setupfor the TM36-68
331cc overbore
Full Muzzy system - quiet insert & spark arrestor installed
K&N Filter - Airbox lid on and snorkle removed with extra cutout to accomodate a crankcase vent filter
N100-604 #130 MJ
VM28/486 #15 PJ
568 P-8 NJ
9DZH6-50 JN - 3nd clip from top
Theseneedleshavea different taper than stock. The end result is this; The 9EBY1-50 needle helps throttle response and helps clear up the mid-ranged off/on throttle stumble. By itself though, the needle change didn't eliminate the stumble completely. It's still there, butmuch, muchbetter than with the stock needle. It's completely rideable as-is, but next, I think I'll trya P-6 needle jetto get mewhere I want to be.
Anyway, here's my current setup:
-340cc kit
-Supertrapp muffler/full exhaust
-K&N filter, airbox lid removed, backfire screen removed
-Mikuni TM36-68:
-130 Main Jet
-15 Pilot Jet
-9EBY1-50 Needle - Clip 3rd slot from top
-P-8 Needle Jet
#52
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
I ordered the alternate needles and needle jets. Getting the TM36 tuned is probably going to end up being a winter project.
From what I could find, a common setup is using the P-4 needle jet with the 9EBY1-50 needle. But this was for a 400cc displacement.
Snow was flying after our ride yesterday as we came back over Trail Ridge Road (US34) through Rocky Mountain National Park.
From what I could find, a common setup is using the P-4 needle jet with the 9EBY1-50 needle. But this was for a 400cc displacement.
Snow was flying after our ride yesterday as we came back over Trail Ridge Road (US34) through Rocky Mountain National Park.
#53
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
sorry for whoring you guys's post.....we couple had a momentary lapes of thought as the 2 stroke thing totally took over us in the memory department.but yeah i have to reply to them.....[&:]
Kudos to you for getting the chance to ride what we would never see in America......My true dream bike is a Kenny Roberts RZ-750 2-stroke 4 cylinder......Unfortunatley most of them were totalled or scrapped.....If they banned the bike from racing 95% of all classes in AMA sanctioned events that says something for horsepower.Last i checked A bone stock one with jetting,pipes and reeds would discharge a little over 200 hp. at the rear wheel.......would be a really fun straight line machine if built right...
sorry for soiling your post guys......
Man, I can only imagine. I had the privelage of riding a Yamaha RZ-1 and Suzuki 250 Gamma racer replica. I really enjoyed both rides, but came away most impressed with the Gamma. For a little 250cc, that thing will flat azz scream! A little bit squirly at higher speeds, but what I wouldn't give to own one! Beautiful machine!
sorry for soiling your post guys......
#54
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
No riding this weekend or last, so I decided to try and get the TM36-68 working.
Again, what a nice carb to work on, so many adjustments available and easy to get in and out of the bike. I have a Clarke tank and there is a fitment issue. Time spent with a dremel tool cutting off and grinding down part of the bell crank and part of the bracket took care of this.
Started out with Mustang's setup (thanks Mike):
MJ: 130
PJ: 17.5
Needle: 9EBY1-50 middle clip
Needle jet: P-4
...and my conditions:
Alt: 5000'
Exhaust: full Muzzy
Intake: K&N - airbox lid on, snorkle removed and extra cutout
Displacement: 331cc
Wow! ...very nice. A wee bit of a bog @ W.O.T. - (will try either airbox lid off or go down to a 127.5 MJ - maybe I'll put in the 127.5 for good measure anyway due to the altitudes that I ride at in the summer). There's a bit of a lag on the accelerator pump kicking in coming off closed throttle (I'll play with the adjustment). Throttle response is snappy, especially with the Vortex -- no clutching necessary to pop up the front in 1st or 2nd. Smooth strong power to redline.
Best idle around 1350 with two turns out on screw - I do get both the lean and rich stutters while adjusting the screw.
Just a bit more tweaking and it'll be perfect. Need to do some plug readings - I'm guessing I'm a bit rich - but I have found that this bike really likes the rich side of things.
The cutout upon closing the throttle is gone!
Again, what a nice carb to work on, so many adjustments available and easy to get in and out of the bike. I have a Clarke tank and there is a fitment issue. Time spent with a dremel tool cutting off and grinding down part of the bell crank and part of the bracket took care of this.
Started out with Mustang's setup (thanks Mike):
MJ: 130
PJ: 17.5
Needle: 9EBY1-50 middle clip
Needle jet: P-4
...and my conditions:
Alt: 5000'
Exhaust: full Muzzy
Intake: K&N - airbox lid on, snorkle removed and extra cutout
Displacement: 331cc
Wow! ...very nice. A wee bit of a bog @ W.O.T. - (will try either airbox lid off or go down to a 127.5 MJ - maybe I'll put in the 127.5 for good measure anyway due to the altitudes that I ride at in the summer). There's a bit of a lag on the accelerator pump kicking in coming off closed throttle (I'll play with the adjustment). Throttle response is snappy, especially with the Vortex -- no clutching necessary to pop up the front in 1st or 2nd. Smooth strong power to redline.
Best idle around 1350 with two turns out on screw - I do get both the lean and rich stutters while adjusting the screw.
Just a bit more tweaking and it'll be perfect. Need to do some plug readings - I'm guessing I'm a bit rich - but I have found that this bike really likes the rich side of things.
The cutout upon closing the throttle is gone!
#55
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
ORIGINAL: mooredan
The cutout upon closing the throttle is gone!
The cutout upon closing the throttle is gone!
The TM36 does like being a bit on the rich side, and it really is nice to work on. Once I figured out what does what on the carb, it's actually pretty easy to set up. Getting to that point was a little bit of work though.
Take a Phillips screwdriver with you out on a ride. Back off the A/P start screw a turn at a time until you get a rich low-end bog. Then turn the screw inby 1/2- or 1/4-turn increments until the bog goes away and you get your best throttle response. On cold days, I've found thatdelaying the A/P start just a little bit more than usual works well.
Also, make sure the A/P squirter is pointed directly at the needle. When the A/P squirts, fuel should actually splash off the needle. Mine didn't do this initially, and adjusting the A/P timing didn't seem to makea lot ofdifference. After reading the Mikuni tuning manual, I repositioned the squirter. A/P timing adjustments actually didsomething then and throttle response was even snappier.
#57
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
You did a nice job on the bracket, but I have to ask why? The throttle wheel of my carb justrubbed theinside of the sump on the Clarke tank, so it hand to be ground down, but the throttle cable bracket cleared by a bunch. Your bracket looks nicer, but I didn't have to cut mine to get the tank to fit. I wonder if my Clarke tank is somehow different from everyone elses.
#58
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
Thanks. The tank seemed to be reseting on the bracket as well as the bell crank rubbing. However the top cap on the carb seemed to have clearance. Rather than going back and forth with the fitting, I just decided to take off as much and I could and get everything lower than the top cap.
The picture is a little deceiving, although it appears that the bracket and crank is higher than the cap, they are not. The cap is slightly higher.
I doubt your tank is different.
I'm talking about the bracket behind the crank (in parallel with it). Are you referring to the part of the bracket where the unused pull-closed cable threads through? If so, then you are correct, this didn't need to be cut off. I figured with the part of the crank gone where this should go, it served no purpose and cleaned things up.
The picture is a little deceiving, although it appears that the bracket and crank is higher than the cap, they are not. The cap is slightly higher.
I doubt your tank is different.
I'm talking about the bracket behind the crank (in parallel with it). Are you referring to the part of the bracket where the unused pull-closed cable threads through? If so, then you are correct, this didn't need to be cut off. I figured with the part of the crank gone where this should go, it served no purpose and cleaned things up.
#59
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
ORIGINAL: mooredan
I'm talking about the bracket behind the crank (in parallel with it). Are you referring to the part of the bracket where the unused pull-closed cable threads through? If so, then you are correct, this didn't need to be cut off. I figured with the part of the crank gone where this should go, it served no purpose and cleaned things up.
I'm talking about the bracket behind the crank (in parallel with it). Are you referring to the part of the bracket where the unused pull-closed cable threads through? If so, then you are correct, this didn't need to be cut off. I figured with the part of the crank gone where this should go, it served no purpose and cleaned things up.
Did you finish getting your carb dialed-in yet?
#60
RE: Will a Mikuni TM36 fit a KLX250s?...
Not quite finished yet -- but it's staying on. Current jetting is good enough to ride with (the needle jet/jet needle change did it). Pulled it last night to check and reposition the pump jet and put in the 127.5 MJ in. No test drive yet, it's snowing today.
Cleaned up the Bill Blue TM34 and am thinking about ebay'ing it once I get the current jetting on the TM36 completely checked out.
Cleaned up the Bill Blue TM34 and am thinking about ebay'ing it once I get the current jetting on the TM36 completely checked out.