TireBalls ... took the plunge
#1
TireBalls ... took the plunge
Too busy with work to put them in right now, though, but hopefully by the weekend ...
Oh, before someone complains, apologies in advance for there being orange instead of green in the above photo.
#2
Finally got some *****?
LOL
But seriously, very cool.
Has anyone used these much on the road? I know the company technically "doesn't recommend them for street use", but is that more of a butt covering statement, or is there a reason they don't work well on the street?
Dan
LOL
But seriously, very cool.
Has anyone used these much on the road? I know the company technically "doesn't recommend them for street use", but is that more of a butt covering statement, or is there a reason they don't work well on the street?
Dan
Last edited by dan888; 04-05-2010 at 11:02 PM.
#5
This will be interesting. I'm sure Nobrakes will give them a good thrashing to see how they check out. I've been curious about this system. I went with the Nuetech tubeless system several months ago, so it will be neat to see how the two systems shake out over time.
One thing about the ball system that I've wondered about is friction. This is the KLXS forum, so we tend to do both dirt and some pavement. I can see the ball system working without much issue in the on-again-off-again off road environment. If you have to get on the pavement for a decent stretch, I wonder if there will be any temperature issue with the contact with the ***** between each other and the tire carcass. Just a tube in a tire generates some heat which is one advantage of tubeless setups...at least tubeless in a design where nothing is in the tire carcass but air. I'm not claiming that there will be friction generated heat, just curious about the possibility.
One real advantage of the ball system is that it will probably never encounter a wholesale failure resulting in a totally flat tire. The multiple ***** can probably never all go flat at the same time. One disadvantage of the ball system is that tire pressure can't be easily changed...at least that's my understanding.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out, Nobrakes...should be fun. One way or another, tubes should be dead in tires of all kinds in all kinds of uses. Outside-the-box thinking and experimenting is great, and it's high time that we as dirt motorcyclists get to run tubeless. Dang...even my lawn tractor and mountainbike have tubeless tires.
One thing about the ball system that I've wondered about is friction. This is the KLXS forum, so we tend to do both dirt and some pavement. I can see the ball system working without much issue in the on-again-off-again off road environment. If you have to get on the pavement for a decent stretch, I wonder if there will be any temperature issue with the contact with the ***** between each other and the tire carcass. Just a tube in a tire generates some heat which is one advantage of tubeless setups...at least tubeless in a design where nothing is in the tire carcass but air. I'm not claiming that there will be friction generated heat, just curious about the possibility.
One real advantage of the ball system is that it will probably never encounter a wholesale failure resulting in a totally flat tire. The multiple ***** can probably never all go flat at the same time. One disadvantage of the ball system is that tire pressure can't be easily changed...at least that's my understanding.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out, Nobrakes...should be fun. One way or another, tubes should be dead in tires of all kinds in all kinds of uses. Outside-the-box thinking and experimenting is great, and it's high time that we as dirt motorcyclists get to run tubeless. Dang...even my lawn tractor and mountainbike have tubeless tires.
#6
So are those the official tire *****?
They look odd, I've stuffed tennis ***** in my tires a couple times, one of my riding buds swears by them..lol.
The tennis ***** seem to work great in sugar with a rim lock ...... not sure I would go 90 mph on I95 though
I'm back to tubes .... what are those things NB?
They look odd, I've stuffed tennis ***** in my tires a couple times, one of my riding buds swears by them..lol.
The tennis ***** seem to work great in sugar with a rim lock ...... not sure I would go 90 mph on I95 though
I'm back to tubes .... what are those things NB?
#7
Tire ***** http://www.tireballs.com/
Been wanting a set of these for a long time. Price has been the main detractor, otherwise seems like a great idea and good system. Got a little bonus at work and spent my share of it on this. So it is my "luxury item." It showed up in the brown truck today.
TNC, Tireballs makes no claims about on-road use, though I hear folks using them for short distances anyway with no problems. They recommend and include a silicon oil lubricant to use inside the tire to reduce friction and therefore heat. Should be fine for my use which is primarily off-road only with the occasional stint on the road, but rarely for more than 30 minutes or so on pavement.
Should be great for off-road, though, which is what they are designed for. And since I'm doing a few more races this year, it will be great not to have to worry about a flat, they are basically flat proof. Not quite as bullet proof as a mousse, but the next best thing, and better than mousse in the sense that you can tweak the air pressure and come up with a preferred setting. Pressure is not that hard to change, just pop one side of the bead off which exposes the needle valve access on each ball. Plus I've heard mousse feel kind of dead, whereas tireballs are more like tubes in that respect. Something else they claim is that they are more resistant to pinch failure because at the point of impact, the air is confined in the localized cell, and pressure goes up and resists pinching. In a tube, the air is distributed throughout and can pinch more easily. But even if there is a pinch, only that one cell is affected and the others move around to take its place.
I'm looking forward to trying them out. Also, looking forward to getting the heavy and bulky spare tube out of my pack, and the irons for changing a tire. Won't be needing those any more, at least not on the trail.
Been wanting a set of these for a long time. Price has been the main detractor, otherwise seems like a great idea and good system. Got a little bonus at work and spent my share of it on this. So it is my "luxury item." It showed up in the brown truck today.
TNC, Tireballs makes no claims about on-road use, though I hear folks using them for short distances anyway with no problems. They recommend and include a silicon oil lubricant to use inside the tire to reduce friction and therefore heat. Should be fine for my use which is primarily off-road only with the occasional stint on the road, but rarely for more than 30 minutes or so on pavement.
Should be great for off-road, though, which is what they are designed for. And since I'm doing a few more races this year, it will be great not to have to worry about a flat, they are basically flat proof. Not quite as bullet proof as a mousse, but the next best thing, and better than mousse in the sense that you can tweak the air pressure and come up with a preferred setting. Pressure is not that hard to change, just pop one side of the bead off which exposes the needle valve access on each ball. Plus I've heard mousse feel kind of dead, whereas tireballs are more like tubes in that respect. Something else they claim is that they are more resistant to pinch failure because at the point of impact, the air is confined in the localized cell, and pressure goes up and resists pinching. In a tube, the air is distributed throughout and can pinch more easily. But even if there is a pinch, only that one cell is affected and the others move around to take its place.
I'm looking forward to trying them out. Also, looking forward to getting the heavy and bulky spare tube out of my pack, and the irons for changing a tire. Won't be needing those any more, at least not on the trail.
#8
I've been wanting these too but since the brown truck don't give out bonuses I'm left wanting. Looking forward to a report on how they compare to tubes on a different terrain. Rocks,water w/rocks,hills w/rocks, downed trees (exclude the rocks here) sand,hard pack,and mud.
#10
Yes for rear, not so important for the front. If you do spin the rim, it can damage the cells, so that's the reason. They went on to say that it's really no harder to put on the tire, at least not much.
Still haven't had a chance to put them on yet. Took a day off work to today to do more work. Unfortunately, I'm busy as hell as this week.
Still haven't had a chance to put them on yet. Took a day off work to today to do more work. Unfortunately, I'm busy as hell as this week.