Pirelli M43 damaged by running flat for 9 miles?
#1
Pirelli M43 damaged by running flat for 9 miles?
I recently replaced my front tire with a Pirelli M43 trials tire, but unfortunately did not replace the Tubliss bladder after 12 months, 1700 miles and 184 hours.
RTFM: "Replace the inner bladder every 100 hours or 12 months"
You know where this is going. So after just 20 miles on the new tire the bladder developed a leak in the rim lock area.
With night coming on fast I decided to ride flat for about an hour and 9 miles to get back to my vehicle. The Tubliss supported this recovery mode just fine. Luckily I was out of the rocks and it was a pretty mild ride mostly on sand. Top speed was about 20 mph.
However, the Tubliss rim lock stem did move around and enlarge the rim hole quite a bit so I know there were some serious forces involved.
Now here is the problem. After mounting up a completely new Tubliss liner and bladder the tire is bent. Yes, the tire. It is warped and wobbles, like belts broke inside it or something. It is ridable but with a huge shimmy.
The rim is straight. Well, it's no more bent than it used to be. The problem is the tire.
Has anybody seen a tire get damaged like this before? I made the decision to sacrifice it if necessary and I guess I did. Somehow I thought there would be smoke and flames.
RTFM: "Replace the inner bladder every 100 hours or 12 months"
You know where this is going. So after just 20 miles on the new tire the bladder developed a leak in the rim lock area.
With night coming on fast I decided to ride flat for about an hour and 9 miles to get back to my vehicle. The Tubliss supported this recovery mode just fine. Luckily I was out of the rocks and it was a pretty mild ride mostly on sand. Top speed was about 20 mph.
However, the Tubliss rim lock stem did move around and enlarge the rim hole quite a bit so I know there were some serious forces involved.
Now here is the problem. After mounting up a completely new Tubliss liner and bladder the tire is bent. Yes, the tire. It is warped and wobbles, like belts broke inside it or something. It is ridable but with a huge shimmy.
The rim is straight. Well, it's no more bent than it used to be. The problem is the tire.
Has anybody seen a tire get damaged like this before? I made the decision to sacrifice it if necessary and I guess I did. Somehow I thought there would be smoke and flames.
Last edited by KawaBiker; 11-29-2015 at 11:44 PM.
#2
I ran a trakmaster II rear tire completely flat for at least, if not more, 5 miles and it looked new afterwards. I mean so flat the tube came out and ripped on the chain.
That was in June. I put a new tube in and it's still running strong
That was in June. I put a new tube in and it's still running strong
#4
Ran about 10 miles, combination of asphalt and FS, with the beads broken on the front OEM tire. Visually the bead area looked ok, so I put in a new tube and everything seems to be ok. My max speed was close to 10 mph.
https://www.kawasakiforums.com/forum...5-years-43546/
https://www.kawasakiforums.com/forum...5-years-43546/
#5
> Visually the bead area looked ok, so I put in a new tube and everything seems to be ok. My max speed was close to 10 mph
> I would suspect that it has damaged the cord structure
My beads look good too, but I agree the cord structure must have been damaged.
For a trials tire the M43 has tough (tubeless) sidewalls but that was a lot of hurt on them: 140 lbs plus rider weight at 10 vs. 20 mph could make all the difference between damage and not. Have ordered a new tire.
Update 12/4/15: No wobble with new tire.
Lessons learned:
- Replace the Tubliss bladder at every tire change OR start thinking about replacing it at 100 hours even without tire change. Bladder blowout can have very expensive effects, including ruining a tire.
- If in a Tubliss recovery situation, take a few minutes to tighten the rim lock so it does not chew up the rim hole
- If running flat keep speed low, 10 mph or less
- Cords can break in a tire run flat
> I would suspect that it has damaged the cord structure
My beads look good too, but I agree the cord structure must have been damaged.
For a trials tire the M43 has tough (tubeless) sidewalls but that was a lot of hurt on them: 140 lbs plus rider weight at 10 vs. 20 mph could make all the difference between damage and not. Have ordered a new tire.
Update 12/4/15: No wobble with new tire.
Lessons learned:
- Replace the Tubliss bladder at every tire change OR start thinking about replacing it at 100 hours even without tire change. Bladder blowout can have very expensive effects, including ruining a tire.
- If in a Tubliss recovery situation, take a few minutes to tighten the rim lock so it does not chew up the rim hole
- If running flat keep speed low, 10 mph or less
- Cords can break in a tire run flat
Last edited by KawaBiker; 12-05-2015 at 03:39 PM. Reason: Updated lessons learned
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