Klxster's CDI Ignition Curve Project

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Old 06-10-2016 | 11:52 PM
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Well, the increased backpressure causes a less effective exhaust stroke. It's pretty simple to visualize - the piston is pushing out exhaust with there being more resistance to the "push", so a little more stays in.. Anyway, yes, the dilution causes a slower flame front.

"How are you taking into account the speed of the engine, in combination with the presumed speed of the combustion to figure a given advance?"


I am researching, learning, and making guesses - I think at this point I can call them "educated guesses". As I acquire more knowledge, I formulate more and more ideas/plan-of-attacks, and then test as best I can.. It's a constant process.. I have the module loaded with the stock curve and a test curve - so with the handlebar switch, I can switch back and forth constantly as I test..

As I get more dyno data, there will be less guessing...
 

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Old 06-11-2016 | 12:06 AM
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Taking a cue from RageHard..'s map, I added a "big front end" to my latest test map - I tempered it a bit due to my bikes' different mod combo.. I tested power, throttle response and power ramp-up from 2K while climbing a 75 yard run up a hill offroad. Sure enough, more power, throttle response, and power ramp-up.. Here it is. Clik on it to read the values.
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 12:57 AM
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What does the bottom most row in the attachment above represent? Can't quite make out the text or numbers.
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 02:02 AM
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The row I'm curious about is in the red box..

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Old 06-11-2016 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by queen of spades
The row I'm curious about is in the red box..

Ah, this is a screen shot of the ignition advance curve I tested today.. The program is called DashPro Jr.. Those are cells with advance values in them..
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 02:10 AM
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Ah, for a moment I thought we were looking at HP numbers!
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 08:53 AM
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Been following this thread. From the numbers, I believe we have the Euro version KLX here in Taiwan. Are euro timings similar to Aussie timings? From the service manual I get this:

(TH,EUR,SEA)BTDC10°@1300r/min(rpm)∼BTDC34°@11000r/min(rpm)

Any knowledge on the euro?
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 09:10 AM
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confirmed the euro numbers you listed (2009 klx 250s EU) owners manual i have with the bike i got
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Hey fellas, this becomes important - Assuming the Aussie/Euro/USA bikes carry the same cams/cam timing, and compression ratio - The Aussie/Euro's will become over-advanced with a slipon and a performance AFR. I'm guessing over-advancement would become a performance issue if AFR@WOT reaches 13:1 or below.
 
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Old 06-11-2016 | 05:01 PM
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Here is the 35° jump in power. The verticals are RPM - 8500 on left, then 9k, 9.5k, and 10k..Hp is the numbers on the right. All 3 curves are basic "flat line" curves. So all of them are static values after 5K.

Blue - 25°
Green - 35°
Red - 40°

This is an example of what happens when ignition timing becomes more optimal , when it over-advances to "stalemate", and finally, when it over-advances to power loss.

Also, while 35° did this, there could be more with a different value in this RPM area.

 
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