KLX 250 ( 300 ) camshaft mod by Marcelino
#151
Hey bumblebee,
From what I understand of Marcelino's post, when you retard the exhaust cam (opens a little later) the ACR also retards if not adjusted on the shaft. When the ACR retards (not adjusted for the shaft position change), that means that there is a little less compression available for starting. That's why he says to press it out and move it back the other way. Otherwise it will start cold like it was a worn engine and hardly start at all hot.
In fact, he moved it (ACR) a little bit further advanced of it's original degrees to compensate for anticipated wear over time. (Marcelino, correct me if I mis-understood your original post)
It's getting late for me so off to bed, now! Hope this all helps.
From what I understand of Marcelino's post, when you retard the exhaust cam (opens a little later) the ACR also retards if not adjusted on the shaft. When the ACR retards (not adjusted for the shaft position change), that means that there is a little less compression available for starting. That's why he says to press it out and move it back the other way. Otherwise it will start cold like it was a worn engine and hardly start at all hot.
In fact, he moved it (ACR) a little bit further advanced of it's original degrees to compensate for anticipated wear over time. (Marcelino, correct me if I mis-understood your original post)
It's getting late for me so off to bed, now! Hope this all helps.
Ahh , and yes , it works only from 0 to 500 RPM , therefore it does not have ANY influence on how your engine itīs running .
#152
YES , YOU DO !
If you do only one cam , you may have better results , I just donīt know if itīs 15% or 50% better . Whatīs certain is that you need to rejet .
If you then choose to do the other cam as well , you need to rejet AGAIN .
You see the trend , more work , ***** footing and less results .
The only ones who donīt need to rejet are the owners of EFI bikes that still have the O2 sensor connected ; The ECU does all the corrections for you ,so you donīt have to , like mine .
If you do only one cam , you may have better results , I just donīt know if itīs 15% or 50% better . Whatīs certain is that you need to rejet .
If you then choose to do the other cam as well , you need to rejet AGAIN .
You see the trend , more work , ***** footing and less results .
The only ones who donīt need to rejet are the owners of EFI bikes that still have the O2 sensor connected ; The ECU does all the corrections for you ,so you donīt have to , like mine .
Last edited by Marcelino; 06-26-2011 at 09:27 AM.
#153
You can gain 1- 1.5 HP with a KDX snorkel or removing the air filter lid .
Before the cam mod I could not use the bike with the lid off , it was grawling like a hungry lion .
I gained another HP by removing the butt plug , itīs an exhaust mod , it consists in changing the original end pipe with a 1 inch one , look a few pages back .
On itīs own the cam mod accounts for 3-4 HP on a 250 .
#154
Itīs an engine mod , it does nothing to your gearbox , if it feels better in one gear it feels better in all gears .
#155
Do the mod the way it should be done , donīt touch the carb just yet . give it a ride .
Then move the needle up one position and repeat , then down one position and repeat . I know the needle only affects your midrange but al least you get a clue if you need to go richer or poorer ; if it works better with the needle higher you need to go richer ; if it works better with the needle lower you need to go poorer .
You donīt want to be bothered with the ACR just yet , fine , you need to let the bike cool down between runs anyways so you can play with the needle , it will start cold no problem , even if you leave the ACR where it was , instead of 1 sec. cranking you may have to push the button 2 seconds .
Have a cool beverage of your choice in between runs , it allows you and your bike to cool down .
Iīve used the bike 2-3 days before I did the ACR .
Last edited by Marcelino; 06-26-2011 at 09:51 AM.
#156
Has anybody yet done the mod the way it was supposed to be done ?
Do the mod the way it should be done , donīt touch the carb just yet . give it a ride .
Then move the needle up one position and repeat , then down one position and repeat . I know the needle only affects your midrange but al least you get a clue if you need to go richer or poorer ; if it works better with the needle higher you need to go richer ; if it works better with the needle lower you need to go poorer .
You donīt want to be bothered with the ACR just yet , fine , you need to let the bike cool down between runs anyways so you can play with the needle , it will start cold no problem , even if you leave the ACR where it was , instead of 1 sec. cranking you may have to push the button 2 seconds .
Have a cool beverage of your choice in between runs , it allows you and your bike to cool down .
Iīve used the bike 2-3 days before I did the ACR .
Do the mod the way it should be done , donīt touch the carb just yet . give it a ride .
Then move the needle up one position and repeat , then down one position and repeat . I know the needle only affects your midrange but al least you get a clue if you need to go richer or poorer ; if it works better with the needle higher you need to go richer ; if it works better with the needle lower you need to go poorer .
You donīt want to be bothered with the ACR just yet , fine , you need to let the bike cool down between runs anyways so you can play with the needle , it will start cold no problem , even if you leave the ACR where it was , instead of 1 sec. cranking you may have to push the button 2 seconds .
Have a cool beverage of your choice in between runs , it allows you and your bike to cool down .
Iīve used the bike 2-3 days before I did the ACR .
#158
Marcelino, I did the camshaft mod and the 351 kit at the same time and I have 128 Dynojet main jet and needle with the clip third space down with two washers on top. Do you think I need to bump up to 132 main jet since I did both at the same time? Bill Blue recommended bumping up jetting two spots with the 251 alone. It's just I can still distinctly hear that intake grawl from the air box.(I have the lid off). I also removed the spark arrester from my HMF slip on to try and get more flow out of the exhaust.
Do the needle thing as I said before , check it the middle position , then raise one or two positions , then lower one or two positions . Monitor midrange , this is what the needle influences most .
The bike will tell you herself what is better , at least you will have a clue what direction is the right one , richer or poorer .
Idle and up to 25% acceleration are the pilot jet responsabilities , if the pilot jet is close enough you can adjust the mixture screw ( you do have the tool , donīt you ? ) . From 75% to 100% is main jet alone , thatīs why I say the best spot to start with a carb jetting is top acceleration .
You can also look at the plug :
In between runs ( if youīre doing main jet or needle ) DONīT let the bike idle , shut it of right away , then take the spark plug out and look at it : the cermic insulator should be white ( ish ) and the ring ( the portion of the thread thatīs inside the combustion chamber ) should be covered with a little dark gray soot . If itīs light gray or none at all you may be running too poor , if itīs almost black you are running too rich .
Of course nothing beats a O2 sensor , you can use ANY generic cheap aXX sensor you can find ; You just need to connect a cheap digital voltmeter and see if the voltage is below 0.5 volts ( poor ) or above 0.5 volts ( rich ) . I preffer the 4 wire ones ( the extra 2 wires are for the heather , 12 volts )
Itīs the most accurate , when youīre done you can take the sensor out and put a short screw in the bung . Save the O2 sensor for the next time when you ( or your friend with a hot barbeque and cold beverages ) need rejetting .
#160
Test Ride This Morning
This was the morning ride I wanted to do that I mentioned in my earlier post about the intake side (only) cam mod.
Conditions were virtually identical--wind speed, direction, etc as yesterday but it was only 80 degrees temperature instead of 101. Road course was the same, too.
Was able to ride against the wind with 3/8 throttle versus 1/2, as with yesterday. Apparently ~20 degrees temperature makes a difference!
With the intake-only part of the mod, you can definitely tell that something is going on, but to use a semi-pun, it takes the exhaust side of the mod to let it out.
So I did the exhaust mod today and the test ride, too. That will be the subject of my next post, just to keep things separated.
Conditions were virtually identical--wind speed, direction, etc as yesterday but it was only 80 degrees temperature instead of 101. Road course was the same, too.
Was able to ride against the wind with 3/8 throttle versus 1/2, as with yesterday. Apparently ~20 degrees temperature makes a difference!
With the intake-only part of the mod, you can definitely tell that something is going on, but to use a semi-pun, it takes the exhaust side of the mod to let it out.
So I did the exhaust mod today and the test ride, too. That will be the subject of my next post, just to keep things separated.