Huge Problem...Engine died. Take a look at these pics
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Bill says compression of the 351 is 12 to one. The valve is the exhaust valve that the compression release works on. I think piston hit the valve causing it to break and letting the lifter go up.
Can you LIFT the spring out of the head with out pulling anything else? If so, the valve would be in the cylinder. I am guessing half the valve. IF this is true, then its a train wreck.
I hope I am wrong.
David
Can you LIFT the spring out of the head with out pulling anything else? If so, the valve would be in the cylinder. I am guessing half the valve. IF this is true, then its a train wreck.
I hope I am wrong.
David
Another tid bit of information for help with diagnosis; Prior to this all happening, I noticed a sound that I thought sounded like a ping. I brought it up on the forums, but I was advised that it was probably something minor like the gas tank rattling or something. (I originally thought that it was rocks getting thrown off my new tires into the engine or my keys rattling against the triple clamp) Someone suggested I add a little bit of octane booster to see if the pinging goes away. I did this, and that is currently the tank of gas I am on.
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Question for those of you with the 351 kit:
Does the new piston have valve reliefs in it and are the intake and exhaust reliefs the same? Just thinking that maybe the piston went in backwards and there was less clearance between the valves and the piston. Some high rpm valve float and BANG!
Ride on
Brewster
Does the new piston have valve reliefs in it and are the intake and exhaust reliefs the same? Just thinking that maybe the piston went in backwards and there was less clearance between the valves and the piston. Some high rpm valve float and BANG!
Ride on
Brewster
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Question for those of you with the 351 kit:
Does the new piston have valve reliefs in it and are the intake and exhaust reliefs the same? Just thinking that maybe the piston went in backwards and there was less clearance between the valves and the piston. Some high rpm valve float and BANG!
Ride on
Brewster
Does the new piston have valve reliefs in it and are the intake and exhaust reliefs the same? Just thinking that maybe the piston went in backwards and there was less clearance between the valves and the piston. Some high rpm valve float and BANG!
Ride on
Brewster
For this reason Bill draws an arrow on the piston with a sharpie as to the way it is to be oriented facing forward. It should only go in this way....
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I don't think the top of the valve would be sticking up like that, if it wasn't broken - unless the keeper let go, in which case you should be able to pull the spring out. I'm thinking the valve is broken, and the part you see can't be pulled out because the broken end is a bit bent or mangled & won't let it come through. Why it broke is another thing, sure sounds like piston/valve contact, and maybe Brewster has nailed it. Kind of why I was wondering how much room the valves would have after the cam mod changed the timing - maybe adequate for stock setup, but not enough for big bore with some valve float, and really not enough if the piston is in backwards from what the reliefs look like.
I gotta say, this was a great board before jhoffy started posting, now it's on a whole other level if interestingness. Really hope your luck turns dude - I can't say anything about other peoples bad luck after the booboos I've made. Good luck.
I gotta say, this was a great board before jhoffy started posting, now it's on a whole other level if interestingness. Really hope your luck turns dude - I can't say anything about other peoples bad luck after the booboos I've made. Good luck.
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Looks like the 351 piston has more relief for the intake side. If the piston was indeed installed backwards wouldn't it be an intake valve that would suffer the failure ?
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It might be helpful if you could find out why it happened also.
Did you check your cam timing before you tore it down? Any chance it jumped somehow? Everything look OK in the cam sprocket/chain/tensioner department? Otherwise, it appears maybe a bit of float combined with too close tolerance - it would seem to be too big of a coincidence to have a valve suddenly break like that out of nowhere unless previously weakened. Also looks like the piston was in right, and also like was said above, if it was wrong I think the bigger relief would go to the exhaust side anway.
Tough one...
Did you check your cam timing before you tore it down? Any chance it jumped somehow? Everything look OK in the cam sprocket/chain/tensioner department? Otherwise, it appears maybe a bit of float combined with too close tolerance - it would seem to be too big of a coincidence to have a valve suddenly break like that out of nowhere unless previously weakened. Also looks like the piston was in right, and also like was said above, if it was wrong I think the bigger relief would go to the exhaust side anway.
Tough one...
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It might be helpful if you could find out why it happened also.
Did you check your cam timing before you tore it down? Any chance it jumped somehow? Everything look OK in the cam sprocket/chain/tensioner department? Otherwise, it appears maybe a bit of float combined with too close tolerance - it would seem to be too big of a coincidence to have a valve suddenly break like that out of nowhere unless previously weakened. Also looks like the piston was in right, and also like was said above, if it was wrong I think the bigger relief would go to the exhaust side anway.
Tough one...
Did you check your cam timing before you tore it down? Any chance it jumped somehow? Everything look OK in the cam sprocket/chain/tensioner department? Otherwise, it appears maybe a bit of float combined with too close tolerance - it would seem to be too big of a coincidence to have a valve suddenly break like that out of nowhere unless previously weakened. Also looks like the piston was in right, and also like was said above, if it was wrong I think the bigger relief would go to the exhaust side anway.
Tough one...
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That's harsh! Sorry about your KLX troubles jhoffy. One thing positive is you should try to learn as much as you can about why this happened so you'll be older and wiser when it's all behind you. Someday you'll sit back with a beer in hand laughing about the KLX you blew up. Meanwhile, school is in session, don't forget to take notes.
Good luck with your rebuild bro!
Good luck with your rebuild bro!