Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
#21
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
I don't think Iowa ever read Dale Carnegie
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
[ol][*]Don't criticize, condemn or complain.[*]Give honest and sincere appreciation.[*]Arouse in the other person an eager want. [/ol]
Six ways to make people like you
[ol][*]Become genuinely interested in other people.[*]Smile.[*]Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.[*]Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.[*]Talk in terms of the other person's interests.[*]Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely. [/ol]
Win people to your way of thinking
[ol][*]The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.[*]Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."[*]If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.[*]Begin in a friendly way.[*]Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.[*]Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.[*]Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.[*]Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.[*]Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.[*]Appeal to the nobler motives.[*]Dramatize your ideas.[*]Throw down a challenge. [/ol]
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing ResentmentA leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
[ol][*]Begin with praise and honest appreciation.[*]Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.[*]Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.[*]Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.[*]Let the other person save face.[*]Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."[*]Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.[*]Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.[*]Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest. [/ol]
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
[ol][*]Don't criticize, condemn or complain.[*]Give honest and sincere appreciation.[*]Arouse in the other person an eager want. [/ol]
Six ways to make people like you
[ol][*]Become genuinely interested in other people.[*]Smile.[*]Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.[*]Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.[*]Talk in terms of the other person's interests.[*]Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely. [/ol]
Win people to your way of thinking
[ol][*]The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.[*]Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."[*]If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.[*]Begin in a friendly way.[*]Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.[*]Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.[*]Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.[*]Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.[*]Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.[*]Appeal to the nobler motives.[*]Dramatize your ideas.[*]Throw down a challenge. [/ol]
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing ResentmentA leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
[ol][*]Begin with praise and honest appreciation.[*]Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.[*]Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.[*]Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.[*]Let the other person save face.[*]Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."[*]Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.[*]Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.[*]Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest. [/ol]
#22
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RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
ORIGINAL: Finger Mullet
I don't think Iowa ever read Dale Carnegie
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
[ol][*]Don't criticize, condemn or complain.[*]Give honest and sincere appreciation.[*]Arouse in the other person an eager want. [/ol]
Six ways to make people like you
[ol][*]Become genuinely interested in other people.[*]Smile.[*]Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.[*]Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.[*]Talk in terms of the other person's interests.[*]Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely. [/ol]
Win people to your way of thinking
[ol][*]The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.[*]Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."[*]If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.[*]Begin in a friendly way.[*]Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.[*]Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.[*]Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.[*]Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.[*]Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.[*]Appeal to the nobler motives.[*]Dramatize your ideas.[*]Throw down a challenge. [/ol]
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing ResentmentA leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
[ol][*]Begin with praise and honest appreciation.[*]Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.[*]Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.[*]Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.[*]Let the other person save face.[*]Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."[*]Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.[*]Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.[*]Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest. [/ol]
I don't think Iowa ever read Dale Carnegie
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Fundamental Techniques in Handling People
[ol][*]Don't criticize, condemn or complain.[*]Give honest and sincere appreciation.[*]Arouse in the other person an eager want. [/ol]
Six ways to make people like you
[ol][*]Become genuinely interested in other people.[*]Smile.[*]Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.[*]Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.[*]Talk in terms of the other person's interests.[*]Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely. [/ol]
Win people to your way of thinking
[ol][*]The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.[*]Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."[*]If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.[*]Begin in a friendly way.[*]Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.[*]Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.[*]Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.[*]Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.[*]Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.[*]Appeal to the nobler motives.[*]Dramatize your ideas.[*]Throw down a challenge. [/ol]
Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing ResentmentA leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:
[ol][*]Begin with praise and honest appreciation.[*]Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.[*]Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.[*]Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.[*]Let the other person save face.[*]Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."[*]Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.[*]Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.[*]Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest. [/ol]
Eric- everything was cool until my opinions got the best of our cool cucumber brian, and he exploded calling me a liar and accused me of making things up. then he went away w/his tail between his legs. i guess he thinks that JS is the GOAT, and not RC. well, I guess if you are talking about making excuses for not finishing races or seasons, JS would be the GOAT in that area.
#23
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
now where is that picture....... oh there it is..... ( no offense) someone was gonna do it.... I get a kick out of how fired up some of you get with others on here.... and the more funny part i bet IG is sitting there laughing..... i personally dont follow it enough to know who is right and who is wrong... thats why i stayed out of this one
#25
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
IG,
You've changed your argument mid-stream.
You started off by stating that JS doesn't belong in the same sentence as Hannah, Johnson, McGrath, Carmichael, et al. ... that those guys were in a different leauge regarding their riding skill. If you look at the first 3 years of JS's career, I think you have to include him in that league for at least SX. The only one who doesn't belong in that list is probably McGrath. Didn't he have like 70+ career wins, RC is in the 40s or 50s, and everyone else is in the 20s?
You then changed your argument to one of career accomplishments and, apparently, used the logic if JS doesn't match up to the 10+ year careers of the greatest SX rider of all time (McGrath) and the greatest overall rider of all time (Carmichael), then he's not that good. If you're really changing your argument to "JS's career pales in comparison to Carmichael's and McGrath's," then I completely agree. But, that's not how you started off.
You're also all over the map with your statments. Reed can beat anyone out there. Speed doesn't win races, smoothness does and JS is far from smooth. Etc. Not only are these distractors from your main argument, but they actually damage your credibility because the comments don't stand on their own and you provide no supporting argument to suggest that these counterintuitive statements are, in fact, true.
You've changed your argument mid-stream.
You started off by stating that JS doesn't belong in the same sentence as Hannah, Johnson, McGrath, Carmichael, et al. ... that those guys were in a different leauge regarding their riding skill. If you look at the first 3 years of JS's career, I think you have to include him in that league for at least SX. The only one who doesn't belong in that list is probably McGrath. Didn't he have like 70+ career wins, RC is in the 40s or 50s, and everyone else is in the 20s?
You then changed your argument to one of career accomplishments and, apparently, used the logic if JS doesn't match up to the 10+ year careers of the greatest SX rider of all time (McGrath) and the greatest overall rider of all time (Carmichael), then he's not that good. If you're really changing your argument to "JS's career pales in comparison to Carmichael's and McGrath's," then I completely agree. But, that's not how you started off.
You're also all over the map with your statments. Reed can beat anyone out there. Speed doesn't win races, smoothness does and JS is far from smooth. Etc. Not only are these distractors from your main argument, but they actually damage your credibility because the comments don't stand on their own and you provide no supporting argument to suggest that these counterintuitive statements are, in fact, true.
#26
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RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
ORIGINAL: 67L48
IG,
You've changed your argument mid-stream.
You started off by stating that JS doesn't belong in the same sentence as Hannah, Johnson, McGrath, Carmichael, et al. ... that those guys were in a different leauge regarding their riding skill. If you look at the first 3 years of JS's career, I think you have to include him in that league for at least SX. The only one who doesn't belong in that list is probably McGrath. Didn't he have like 70+ career wins, RC is in the 40s or 50s, and everyone else is in the 20s?
You then changed your argument to one of career accomplishments and, apparently, used the logic if JS doesn't match up to the 10+ year careers of the greatest SX rider of all time (McGrath) and the greatest overall rider of all time (Carmichael), then he's not that good. If you're really changing your argument to "JS's career pales in comparison to Carmichael's and McGrath's," then I completely agree. But, that's not how you started off.
You're also all over the map with your statments. Reed can beat anyone out there. Speed doesn't win races, smoothness does and JS is far from smooth. Etc. Not only are these distractors from your main argument, but they actually damage your credibility because the comments don't stand on their own and you provide no supporting argument to suggest that these counterintuitive statements are, in fact, true.
IG,
You've changed your argument mid-stream.
You started off by stating that JS doesn't belong in the same sentence as Hannah, Johnson, McGrath, Carmichael, et al. ... that those guys were in a different leauge regarding their riding skill. If you look at the first 3 years of JS's career, I think you have to include him in that league for at least SX. The only one who doesn't belong in that list is probably McGrath. Didn't he have like 70+ career wins, RC is in the 40s or 50s, and everyone else is in the 20s?
You then changed your argument to one of career accomplishments and, apparently, used the logic if JS doesn't match up to the 10+ year careers of the greatest SX rider of all time (McGrath) and the greatest overall rider of all time (Carmichael), then he's not that good. If you're really changing your argument to "JS's career pales in comparison to Carmichael's and McGrath's," then I completely agree. But, that's not how you started off.
You're also all over the map with your statments. Reed can beat anyone out there. Speed doesn't win races, smoothness does and JS is far from smooth. Etc. Not only are these distractors from your main argument, but they actually damage your credibility because the comments don't stand on their own and you provide no supporting argument to suggest that these counterintuitive statements are, in fact, true.
speed doesn't win championsips, smoothness does. how is this a distractor? they're true. look at JS now, he's out because of speed basically. he put his foot down going into a corner too fast and now he's sitting watching another championsip go by. in my book, that stands on its own because it's true.
my list of riders is my opinion. and I would think I can speak for a lot of motorcycle enthusiasts when I say JS is in no way in the same league as these past riders. now, if he can win 4 or 5 SX titles, and 6 or 7 outdoor AMA national championships, then he most definitely would be in that list. but until he can remain injury free or free from season ending injury, he will never have that chance. and the thing about MX/SX is that there is always someone sneaking up on you in ability and his time is running out to become this great champion.
look, I have no beef with JS, but I gotta call a whiner a whiner. and this is what JS is sometimes. have you ever listened to his post-race/pre-race interviews? there seems to be a lot of excuses for his predicament. I actually cheered for JS his first year of SX because I couldn't stand that RC dethroned Mc in SX. I thought that would never happen. And I'm also a Jeff Emig fan and hated when Mc would always make him finish 2nd. But these guys eventually earn my respect, especially RC having to make himself faster to beat JS. maybe someday I will respect JS to actually root for him, but until he is proven to be a piece of iron like the rest of my riders in my list, it's hard to get amped up about him because he unwittingly wrecks all the time. and since he is going the speed of light, he usually gets hurt bad enough to warrant a dnf.
i hope my arguments have spoken to you in a more strategic way this time. a good debater always knows his arguments, and unless you're a beginner, you know there's always several ways to go with it.
#27
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
dude, i just lost all respect for you and i actually sort of liked you.[&o]
dude, i just lost all respect for you and i actually sort of liked you.[&o]
IG, you are a complete flake.
#28
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
ORIGINAL: Nobrakes
Iowaguy, your logic as well as your preception of reality is .... well, I have no words. Later, man ... [sm=icon_cheers.gif]
Iowaguy, your logic as well as your preception of reality is .... well, I have no words. Later, man ... [sm=icon_cheers.gif]
There's more if you need them, my favorite is "putrescent".
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#29
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RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
ORIGINAL: tremor38
Wow, I betBrian willlose sleep over that.He probably values your respect as much as the rest of us value your opinion.
IG, you are a complete flake.
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
dude, i just lost all respect for you and i actually sort of liked you.[&o]
dude, i just lost all respect for you and i actually sort of liked you.[&o]
IG, you are a complete flake.
#30
RE: Ferry Replaces Injured Stewart
[sm=pcwhack.gif].......I'm not even going to argue with you Iowa because it's pointless. But I have yo say this.
Kawasaki will never get rid of Stewart he brings in to much money for them
Villopoto has another year in the lites ( contract )
RC is by far the most talented all around but was the same wreckless person at Stewarts age.
You can't compare Mc and Emig to todays riders, different era, different talent.
Windham might be burned out but after all ..you wern't at Steel City and I was so watch race.
I could go on but I'm getting bored.....and don't feel like picking apart your b.s.
Opinions are like a$$holes and I guess...well....maybe....yep.
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Kawasaki will never get rid of Stewart he brings in to much money for them
Villopoto has another year in the lites ( contract )
RC is by far the most talented all around but was the same wreckless person at Stewarts age.
You can't compare Mc and Emig to todays riders, different era, different talent.
Windham might be burned out but after all ..you wern't at Steel City and I was so watch race.
I could go on but I'm getting bored.....and don't feel like picking apart your b.s.
Opinions are like a$$holes and I guess...well....maybe....yep.
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