Exhausts
#41
10-06-2006, 06:18 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 12,584
RE: Exhausts
hehe.... thats why i never argued with him... i could have, but thats not why i am here, i just read and ignore his posts like that... 
[sm=type.gif][sm=smiley34.gif][sm=patriot.gif] hehe i like those things.... 
[sm=type.gif][sm=smiley34.gif][sm=patriot.gif] hehe i like those things....
#42
10-06-2006, 06:32 PM
RE: Exhausts
<homer_simpson> Mmmm ... power [sm=drooldude.gif]
It is sort've addicting - ever since doing the first carb / airbox / pipe mod I've incrementally increased performance as time and money became available. One thing I do like doing is doing them incrementally so, even if I don't have dyno results, I get a pretty good feel for what each mod did. After I do the 330cc and get my pumper carb if that ever shows up, I'll see if I can get my bike dyno'd. I'm real interested to see where it is at. I really don't know what to expect, only that we supposedly started with 18 hp. I think I found a place that will do it for $35 which isn't too bad.
And on a related topic, since I really don't know, what do folks think one should expect from all those mods - pipe, jetting, crank vent, 330cc displacement, pumper carb? The jetting, pipe, airbox mods were purported to add a few HP. I don't know how much the additional displacement would increase HP, the net is about a 32.5% gain in displacement at 330cc - I have no idea if the relationship between displacement and HP is linear or not. I don't necessarily think the pumper carb will increase HP, but rather that will typically increase fuel delivery and throttle response. I do not have a gearing change, but while changing the gearing changes the torque, it does not change HP.
My goal is not to build the most powerful KLX one can build - but rather to build my perfect trail and fun bike. For that, I want to be able to roll-on the throttle and get the front end up easily with a twist of the wrist to clear trail obstacles such as logs and streams without having to pull my arms out of socket or wear out the clutch. I want to be able to launch my bike and myself off small jumps with little to no run-up. That has been the primary motivation behind my performance mods - it makes the bike more enjoyable to me. It is pretty much there with the CV carb tuned, pipe, 300cc kit, etc. But as someone said, power is something that is hard to have enough and I to me the 330cc kit and pumper carb are just two more notches in the performance dial.
And it is satisfying to me at least to DIY these mods. I didn't grow up doing this stuff - until I got this bike I'd never checked or adjusted valves before and this is definitely the first time I've done anything like replacing a cylinder and piston. It's not nearly as hard as I once thought. I've learned more about engines in the past 6 months than in my previous 40 years.
I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
It is sort've addicting - ever since doing the first carb / airbox / pipe mod I've incrementally increased performance as time and money became available. One thing I do like doing is doing them incrementally so, even if I don't have dyno results, I get a pretty good feel for what each mod did. After I do the 330cc and get my pumper carb if that ever shows up, I'll see if I can get my bike dyno'd. I'm real interested to see where it is at. I really don't know what to expect, only that we supposedly started with 18 hp. I think I found a place that will do it for $35 which isn't too bad.
And on a related topic, since I really don't know, what do folks think one should expect from all those mods - pipe, jetting, crank vent, 330cc displacement, pumper carb? The jetting, pipe, airbox mods were purported to add a few HP. I don't know how much the additional displacement would increase HP, the net is about a 32.5% gain in displacement at 330cc - I have no idea if the relationship between displacement and HP is linear or not. I don't necessarily think the pumper carb will increase HP, but rather that will typically increase fuel delivery and throttle response. I do not have a gearing change, but while changing the gearing changes the torque, it does not change HP.
My goal is not to build the most powerful KLX one can build - but rather to build my perfect trail and fun bike. For that, I want to be able to roll-on the throttle and get the front end up easily with a twist of the wrist to clear trail obstacles such as logs and streams without having to pull my arms out of socket or wear out the clutch. I want to be able to launch my bike and myself off small jumps with little to no run-up. That has been the primary motivation behind my performance mods - it makes the bike more enjoyable to me. It is pretty much there with the CV carb tuned, pipe, 300cc kit, etc. But as someone said, power is something that is hard to have enough and I to me the 330cc kit and pumper carb are just two more notches in the performance dial.
And it is satisfying to me at least to DIY these mods. I didn't grow up doing this stuff - until I got this bike I'd never checked or adjusted valves before and this is definitely the first time I've done anything like replacing a cylinder and piston. It's not nearly as hard as I once thought. I've learned more about engines in the past 6 months than in my previous 40 years.
I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
#44
10-06-2006, 07:14 PM
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Washington
Posts: 21,060
RE: Exhausts
BOOOOO,.........Wait for it.............YAAAAAAA!!!!
ORIGINAL: cwgoff
Good grief, Travis. Let it go already.
If you think everyone on here is so stupid, why do you participate? Have you "converted" anyone here yet? It's really starting to detract from an otherwise incredible resource.
None of us come here to argue. We are here to learn and share. You have shared your satisfaction with the Big Gun. -- We get it. -- We all know that you are happy with your purchase and why. You can rest assured that no one will ever buy a Muzzy and look back with regret and say, I wish someone, somewhere would have warned me about header discoloration or buddy peg interference. You have done your duty.
BTW, it doesn't make it all better when you end with something like "just my opinion lol" or something like that. If you are joking and put a smiley to make sure people know you are joking, that's one thing. If you are attacking someone and put a disclaimer on the end so you can feel good about yourself, that's another.
I don't mean to be contentious. Quite the opposite. I just wish that you would stop antagonizing anyone that happens to disagree with you on any topic. We are tired of it.
You have contributed some excellent techical points along the way, but your contentious nature is overshadowing that and marginalizing your input in general.
That's all I have to say about that.
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
I didn't say he bored his cylinders twice, I said his bike. When you go up in displacement it's called boring and that's what he has done to his bike- 2 times- maybe he didn't bore it himself but somebody has had to do it somewhere before he bought the cylinders. I just wanted to disprove that other lads rationalizations about "journey" and "potential" mumbojumbo. Brian has gone up in displacement twice for more power, there's nothing about any silly "journey" in his mind. He just wants more power. Period.
I didn't say he bored his cylinders twice, I said his bike. When you go up in displacement it's called boring and that's what he has done to his bike- 2 times- maybe he didn't bore it himself but somebody has had to do it somewhere before he bought the cylinders. I just wanted to disprove that other lads rationalizations about "journey" and "potential" mumbojumbo. Brian has gone up in displacement twice for more power, there's nothing about any silly "journey" in his mind. He just wants more power. Period.
If you think everyone on here is so stupid, why do you participate? Have you "converted" anyone here yet? It's really starting to detract from an otherwise incredible resource.
None of us come here to argue. We are here to learn and share. You have shared your satisfaction with the Big Gun. -- We get it. -- We all know that you are happy with your purchase and why. You can rest assured that no one will ever buy a Muzzy and look back with regret and say, I wish someone, somewhere would have warned me about header discoloration or buddy peg interference. You have done your duty.
BTW, it doesn't make it all better when you end with something like "just my opinion lol" or something like that. If you are joking and put a smiley to make sure people know you are joking, that's one thing. If you are attacking someone and put a disclaimer on the end so you can feel good about yourself, that's another.
I don't mean to be contentious. Quite the opposite. I just wish that you would stop antagonizing anyone that happens to disagree with you on any topic. We are tired of it.
You have contributed some excellent techical points along the way, but your contentious nature is overshadowing that and marginalizing your input in general.
That's all I have to say about that.
#45
10-06-2006, 07:49 PM
RE: Exhausts
ORIGINAL: Nobrakes
I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
Brother aint that The Truth.........
LV
#46
10-06-2006, 08:07 PM
RE: Exhausts
Yup I'm cunfused too.
The compression ratio calculation uses combustion chamber volume. Discplacement does not, "bore x stroke".
The compression ratio calculation uses combustion chamber volume. Discplacement does not, "bore x stroke".
ORIGINAL: Cowboy 6
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
#47
10-06-2006, 10:22 PM
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Posts: n/a
RE: Exhausts
ORIGINAL: Cowboy 6
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
#48
10-07-2006, 04:20 AM
RE: Exhausts
ORIGINAL: Nobrakes
<homer_simpson> Mmmm ... power [sm=drooldude.gif]
It is sort've addicting - ever since doing the first carb / airbox / pipe mod I've incrementally increased performance as time and money became available. One thing I do like doing is doing them incrementally so, even if I don't have dyno results, I get a pretty good feel for what each mod did. After I do the 330cc and get my pumper carb if that ever shows up, I'll see if I can get my bike dyno'd. I'm real interested to see where it is at. I really don't know what to expect, only that we supposedly started with 18 hp. I think I found a place that will do it for $35 which isn't too bad.
And on a related topic, since I really don't know, what do folks think one should expect from all those mods - pipe, jetting, crank vent, 330cc displacement, pumper carb? The jetting, pipe, airbox mods were purported to add a few HP. I don't know how much the additional displacement would increase HP, the net is about a 32.5% gain in displacement at 330cc - I have no idea if the relationship between displacement and HP is linear or not. I don't necessarily think the pumper carb will increase HP, but rather that will typically increase fuel delivery and throttle response. I do not have a gearing change, but while changing the gearing changes the torque, it does not change HP.
My goal is not to build the most powerful KLX one can build - but rather to build my perfect trail and fun bike. For that, I want to be able to roll-on the throttle and get the front end up easily with a twist of the wrist to clear trail obstacles such as logs and streams without having to pull my arms out of socket or wear out the clutch. I want to be able to launch my bike and myself off small jumps with little to no run-up. That has been the primary motivation behind my performance mods - it makes the bike more enjoyable to me. It is pretty much there with the CV carb tuned, pipe, 300cc kit, etc. But as someone said, power is something that is hard to have enough and I to me the 330cc kit and pumper carb are just two more notches in the performance dial.
And it is satisfying to me at least to DIY these mods. I didn't grow up doing this stuff - until I got this bike I'd never checked or adjusted valves before and this is definitely the first time I've done anything like replacing a cylinder and piston. It's not nearly as hard as I once thought. I've learned more about engines in the past 6 months than in my previous 40 years. I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
<homer_simpson> Mmmm ... power [sm=drooldude.gif]
It is sort've addicting - ever since doing the first carb / airbox / pipe mod I've incrementally increased performance as time and money became available. One thing I do like doing is doing them incrementally so, even if I don't have dyno results, I get a pretty good feel for what each mod did. After I do the 330cc and get my pumper carb if that ever shows up, I'll see if I can get my bike dyno'd. I'm real interested to see where it is at. I really don't know what to expect, only that we supposedly started with 18 hp. I think I found a place that will do it for $35 which isn't too bad.
And on a related topic, since I really don't know, what do folks think one should expect from all those mods - pipe, jetting, crank vent, 330cc displacement, pumper carb? The jetting, pipe, airbox mods were purported to add a few HP. I don't know how much the additional displacement would increase HP, the net is about a 32.5% gain in displacement at 330cc - I have no idea if the relationship between displacement and HP is linear or not. I don't necessarily think the pumper carb will increase HP, but rather that will typically increase fuel delivery and throttle response. I do not have a gearing change, but while changing the gearing changes the torque, it does not change HP.
My goal is not to build the most powerful KLX one can build - but rather to build my perfect trail and fun bike. For that, I want to be able to roll-on the throttle and get the front end up easily with a twist of the wrist to clear trail obstacles such as logs and streams without having to pull my arms out of socket or wear out the clutch. I want to be able to launch my bike and myself off small jumps with little to no run-up. That has been the primary motivation behind my performance mods - it makes the bike more enjoyable to me. It is pretty much there with the CV carb tuned, pipe, 300cc kit, etc. But as someone said, power is something that is hard to have enough and I to me the 330cc kit and pumper carb are just two more notches in the performance dial.
And it is satisfying to me at least to DIY these mods. I didn't grow up doing this stuff - until I got this bike I'd never checked or adjusted valves before and this is definitely the first time I've done anything like replacing a cylinder and piston. It's not nearly as hard as I once thought. I've learned more about engines in the past 6 months than in my previous 40 years.
I'm by no means an expert - just a dude with a service manual and a credit card - a very dangerous combination indeed.
#49
10-07-2006, 04:33 AM
RE: Exhausts
ORIGINAL: DJFields
Yup I'm cunfused too.
The compression ratio calculation uses combustion chamber volume. Discplacement does not, "bore x stroke".
Yup I'm cunfused too.
The compression ratio calculation uses combustion chamber volume. Discplacement does not, "bore x stroke".
ORIGINAL: Cowboy 6
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
ORIGINAL: Iowaguy
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
When you go up in displacement it's called boring .....
Sorry but going up in displacement is not called boring.
There are two ways to go up in displacement: you can increase bore (boring) or increase stroke. Actually if you want to get really technical, you can increase displacement by enlarging the combustion chamber also.
Thus going up in displacement simply means going up in displacement.
#50
10-07-2006, 06:24 AM
RE: Exhausts
ORIGINAL: tremor38
Yup! Although his point about 'stroke' was well made. When pistion is pushed into or pulled out of a cylinder, how much volume is 'displaced?' It deals exclusively with bore and stroke.
Yup! Although his point about 'stroke' was well made. When pistion is pushed into or pulled out of a cylinder, how much volume is 'displaced?' It deals exclusively with bore and stroke.
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