87 or 91 Octane gas in the KLX?
#31
Because most race bikes have high enough compression they will detonate on anything less (including 92 octane). The last of the two stroke CR250Rs could NOT run on pump gas. I don't know for sure about the current stock 250 and 450 motocrossers, but I'm betting they may have some detonation problems possibly even with 92 octane and guarantee it if they are built a bit.
In addition some race gas has additives beyond just the octane boost. THAT will increase power, not the higher octane. Fact is if you look at the VP Racing Fuels web site you will find they actually have an 87 octane gas, MR12, that has power boosting additives in the blend - so it isn't the octane.
Many racing organizations including the AMA have octane limiting rules in some classes - an easy way to control the compression level of an engine without getting too technical. Too high of compression - detonation, damages engines. They also may have additive limiting rules too, to stop some trick additives, like a dash of nitro or the like. That is why they take fuel samples from top placing racers at pro levels.
In addition some race gas has additives beyond just the octane boost. THAT will increase power, not the higher octane. Fact is if you look at the VP Racing Fuels web site you will find they actually have an 87 octane gas, MR12, that has power boosting additives in the blend - so it isn't the octane.
Many racing organizations including the AMA have octane limiting rules in some classes - an easy way to control the compression level of an engine without getting too technical. Too high of compression - detonation, damages engines. They also may have additive limiting rules too, to stop some trick additives, like a dash of nitro or the like. That is why they take fuel samples from top placing racers at pro levels.
#32
By the way, I am sure that in both ways to measure octane the function is still the same.
#33
I know what race gas is for, I never said it was required, the whole point of this discussion was is higher octane better for our bikes?, and I think it is. That also goes for any of my small engines at home and work. 87 just doesn't perform like the higher gas. That's been my experience.
As for your small engines, I'd love to know how you measure it with your mower or a generator.
If there are problems it isn't the octane.
Again VP Racing actually makes an 87 octane high performance fuel that adds up to 5% power proven by their testing.
#36
I am in the regular fuel for everything camp. I buy lots of fuel for lots of engines and there is no reason to buy anything more than what the engine was designed for which is regular 87 octane.
Here's an answer to the "smell" issue that some seem to think is an indication of cleanliness... the higher grade gas does not sell well, not many folks buy it for obvious reasons. It's old and the light ends have evaporated off by the time you buy it leaving only stale gas that is not as volatile as it once was. Buying regular fuel assures you a fresher supply. That stink is a good thing, it means that the fuel is converting to gaseous fuel readily. The gasses from gas are what burn.
Ethanol is an entirely different issue. Don't confuse high octane with low ethanol.
Here's an answer to the "smell" issue that some seem to think is an indication of cleanliness... the higher grade gas does not sell well, not many folks buy it for obvious reasons. It's old and the light ends have evaporated off by the time you buy it leaving only stale gas that is not as volatile as it once was. Buying regular fuel assures you a fresher supply. That stink is a good thing, it means that the fuel is converting to gaseous fuel readily. The gasses from gas are what burn.
Ethanol is an entirely different issue. Don't confuse high octane with low ethanol.
#37
I've run both 87 and 91 octane in my 09 KLX and to be honest I couldn't tell any difference at all. My bike's engine is basically stock with only jetting and air box lid mods. I think wildcard's comment is hilarious though.
#38
I am in the regular fuel for everything camp. I buy lots of fuel for lots of engines and there is no reason to buy anything more than what the engine was designed for which is regular 87 octane.
Here's an answer to the "smell" issue that some seem to think is an indication of cleanliness... the higher grade gas does not sell well, not many folks buy it for obvious reasons. It's old and the light ends have evaporated off by the time you buy it leaving only stale gas that is not as volatile as it once was. Buying regular fuel assures you a fresher supply. That stink is a good thing, it means that the fuel is converting to gaseous fuel readily. The gasses from gas are what burn.
Ethanol is an entirely different issue. Don't confuse high octane with low ethanol.
Here's an answer to the "smell" issue that some seem to think is an indication of cleanliness... the higher grade gas does not sell well, not many folks buy it for obvious reasons. It's old and the light ends have evaporated off by the time you buy it leaving only stale gas that is not as volatile as it once was. Buying regular fuel assures you a fresher supply. That stink is a good thing, it means that the fuel is converting to gaseous fuel readily. The gasses from gas are what burn.
Ethanol is an entirely different issue. Don't confuse high octane with low ethanol.