'06 KLX250S Jetting Experience so far at 600' altitude
#1
'06 KLX250S Jetting Experience so far at 600' altitude
Just wanted to give a heads-up on what jetting has worked best for me so far for future reference. KLXster helped me out with troubleshooting and tips (he's at same elevation and in same area).
I have a 06 KLX250S with the KLX300 Header and Exhaust pipe. "Buttplug" wasn't included, so I use the 3D CNC exhaust tip you get off eBay (only one I've ever seen there). Air filter is a Twinair foam filter. Airbox lid is off.
EDIT - I'm using the DJ 2206 kit for the KLX300 where you drill out the slide (not the one with the spring).
I'm running a #40 pilot, 136 DynoJet Main, DJ needle with clip on 4th notch, and float bowl height should be right in middle of spec (17mm, spec is 17mm +- 2mm). My Kouba fuel/air screw is out a little over 1 turn. Not sure if it's completely dialed in yet, but it's somewhere close.
Has noticeable increase in pull and no bog compared to previous owner's setup (#45!!! pilot jet, N1TC needle on 4th notch, 126 main jet).
Going to 5th notch on clip greatly over-richened the bike... I'd recommend going 5th if using a smaller pilot jet, though (or maybe if float height is different).
I'm not 100% positive on float bowl measurement as it's hard to tell exactly when spring starts to compress, but I believe it's 17mm. I did do the clear fuel line trick, too, and fuel seems to line up with gasket surface as well.
I would say that #38 pilot may be ideal for me (so I can back out fuel/air screw a bit more), but #40 seems to be good for now and would probably be perfect for those even closer to sea level. I'm at 600' elevation.
Non-jetting additional modifications in case anyone is curious:
Some rushed pics... have some better pics on my other computer:
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I have a 06 KLX250S with the KLX300 Header and Exhaust pipe. "Buttplug" wasn't included, so I use the 3D CNC exhaust tip you get off eBay (only one I've ever seen there). Air filter is a Twinair foam filter. Airbox lid is off.
EDIT - I'm using the DJ 2206 kit for the KLX300 where you drill out the slide (not the one with the spring).
I'm running a #40 pilot, 136 DynoJet Main, DJ needle with clip on 4th notch, and float bowl height should be right in middle of spec (17mm, spec is 17mm +- 2mm). My Kouba fuel/air screw is out a little over 1 turn. Not sure if it's completely dialed in yet, but it's somewhere close.
Has noticeable increase in pull and no bog compared to previous owner's setup (#45!!! pilot jet, N1TC needle on 4th notch, 126 main jet).
Going to 5th notch on clip greatly over-richened the bike... I'd recommend going 5th if using a smaller pilot jet, though (or maybe if float height is different).
I'm not 100% positive on float bowl measurement as it's hard to tell exactly when spring starts to compress, but I believe it's 17mm. I did do the clear fuel line trick, too, and fuel seems to line up with gasket surface as well.
I would say that #38 pilot may be ideal for me (so I can back out fuel/air screw a bit more), but #40 seems to be good for now and would probably be perfect for those even closer to sea level. I'm at 600' elevation.
Non-jetting additional modifications in case anyone is curious:
- IMS foot pegs
- Lowered brake pedal and having the return spring hook through an extra keyring to keep height a little lower (brake pedal placement is only complaint I have with this bike's ergonomics when wearing MX boots)
- Put in KLX300 .46 rate fork springs. Did use PVC spacers but they sounded off (squeaked a lot, probably not completely level), now use small metal spacer that was included with springs. Probably need to re-make bigger spacers but current solution is within spec.
- Put on black UFO fork guards for KX125/250 to replace brittle white OEM ones
- Put on Polysport(?) black fender with extra ventilation. Put in some weird stepped spacers on mount area to give extra clearance between clutch cable and fender to prevent rubbing.
- Put on KLX300 clutch cable. It's supposedly shorter than 06/07 KLX250S clutch cables but the one I ordered sure didn't seem like it... or maybe PO had wrong clutch cable on it
- Unabiker rad guards (now with side panels removed)
- Acerbis green gas tank (does not match my OEM green unfortunately) - necessary as previous 2 OEM tanks either had holes or rust...
- 13/47 sprockets, new chain
- Re-greased/replaced all bearings except front wheel and steering stem (next maintenance project)
- used 98 navy blue/purplish KLX300 seat so I can scuff it up and not worry about it... actually like the way it looks better as well (no clashing green between seat lime green and Acerbis tank).
- Various cheapo luggage/bag options I've tried. So far, best solution has been a $20 backpack on clearance from Motorcycle superstore bungee-corded to area where OEM toolbag was.
- KLX300 dogbones to replace the 2" lowering links previous owner used
- Richocet skidplate
- Kreiger's manual cam chain tensioner
Some rushed pics... have some better pics on my other computer:
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Last edited by Zeno; 03-24-2015 at 03:06 AM.
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There are some real differences with Zeno's setup. He is using the DJ #2206 jet kit (97-07 KLX300), which is different than the #2152 (09-14 KLX250) - It has no slide spring but has a drill bit to drill the slide lift hole. It has a #0352 needle whereas the 2206 uses a #0228.
It is designed to be used with the lid off - as per instructions.
All-in-all, a very different kit than the 2152. (I used the 2206 kit on my KLX300.)
The needle is, no doubt, much more aggressive than the #0228 and seems to provide a different fuel curve - richer. So good news for 06-08 KLX 250s but no help with 09-14's...
It is designed to be used with the lid off - as per instructions.
All-in-all, a very different kit than the 2152. (I used the 2206 kit on my KLX300.)
The needle is, no doubt, much more aggressive than the #0228 and seems to provide a different fuel curve - richer. So good news for 06-08 KLX 250s but no help with 09-14's...
#4
Well good question - And I haven't researched the matter. Assuming the carbs are identical, and the drilled slide works as well as the spring - that 2206 kit may be superior to 2152 due to the better needle.. My KLX300 runs great with the 2206 I put in years ago but I don't guess I'm gonna pull both bikes apart to check the needle differences.. Perhaps a call to DJ ..? It could be that the 2206 kit is the only way to go for modded 250's - especially when running MCM.. Zeno's experience has me wondering..
#5
I think people have used both kits with equal success in any model KLX250. If there's any significant difference in the needle profile, my understanding is that it's relatively small. I think the biggest difference is the spring vs. drilling the slide. It's been awhile since this has come up, but I can't recall anyone with any year model having a problem with either kit. The results and response seemed to be about identical to the point that tuning parameters weren't that different.
#6
I am very interested in seeing the differences between 2206 and 2152 kits needles, if any. I guess for more a aggressive the N1TC needle is the way to go. Has anyone tried both DJ and N1TC needles on the same bike?
#7
Unfortunately, the comparison isn't too useful because back when I had the N1TC needle on, I also had the oversized #45 pilot on it from PO as well. The first time I switched out to the DJ2206 needle, I didn't have a screwdriver small enough to remove that oversized pilot jet. So both tests the bike was running way too rich. I remember not feeling much of a difference in performance, and possibly preferring the DJ needle.
Sometime I may have to do another test with N1TC needle now that bike isn't ridiculously over-rich.
#8
I'm at 800'. I used the N1TC in my last bike and the DJ kit in my latest KLX. This winter I pulled the DJ kit and went with OEM parts including the N1TC because I wasn't happy with the DJ kit.
#9
Thanks!
#10
Zeno, due to your and a few others' experience, I have a #40 pilot and DJ140 main jet coming.. So more dyno tuning in near future - I'm still trying to get WOT AFR's below 13:1 from idle to 9.5K +..